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<big>'''From 3D to 2D'''</big>
<big>'''From 3D to 2D'''</big>
* The simplification is made possible by the similarity of the growth rates of V and W in thefull 3D Model
*Simplification is possible because of the similarity of the growth rates of V and W in the full 3D Model
** Complex production term is identical
**Their complex production terms are identical
** Only their dissipative terms (-d1V and -d2W ) varies and does so by a constant
**Only their dissipative terms (-d1*V and -d2*W ) varies
*Consequence: Simple hypotheses lead to a very big simplification
**A simple hypotheses could lead to a very big simplification in our analysis
*2D analysis is much simpler, and still will give us valid prediction on whether the system will oscillate.
**A 2D analysis is much simpler, and still will give us valid prediction on whether the system will oscillate.
* Required Hypotheses for Simplification
*Required Hypotheses for Simplification
** Hypothesis 1: d1=d2
** Hypothesis 1: d1=d2
** Hypothesis 2: [aiiA] = [LuxR] initially ( that is time t=0)
** Hypothesis 2: [aiiA] = [LuxR] initially ( that is at time t=0)
***The assumption of d1=d2 is feasible because aiiA and LuxR within the cells will be washed out at the same rate in chemostat
***The assumption of d1=d2 is feasible because aiiA and LuxR within the cells will be washed out at the same rate in chemostat
***As long as we can ensure the washing out rate is much more dominant than their natural half-life. (Easily achieved)
***As long as we can ensure the washing out rate is much more dominant than their natural half-life. (Easily achieved)
*Under previous 2 Hypothesis
*Under previous 2 Hypothesis
**Both aiiA and LuxR will start at the same concentration, and same rate of production, and same rate of degradation
**Both aiiA and LuxR will start at the same concentration, and the same rate of production and degradation
**Hence they will be at the same concentration thoughout
**Hence they will be at the same concentration thoughout


* System then simplifies to
* System then can be simplified to
::[[Image:3Dmodel-simple.png]]
::[[Image:3Dmodel-simple.png]]


* '''NB''': Hypothesis 2 is not really needed
* '''NB''': Hypothesis 2 is not really essential
** If d1=d2 W-V decays to 0 exponentially (with a time constant 1/d1)
** If d1=d2, the difference between W and V will decay to 0 exponentially (with a time constant 1/d1)
** Therefore after a little time we can assume V=W
** Therefore after a little time we can assume V=W
** The larger d1 is the faster the assumption becomes valid
** The larger d1, the faster the assumption becomes valid
** Hence the larger the difference between initial value of V &W, the longer the settling time of reaching V=W only
** The larger the difference between initial values of V & W, the longer the settling time of reaching V=W only
** In particular we are sure that the condition on the parameters for obtaining a limit cycle will be identical in 2D and 3D despite of the initial concentrations of U V W.
** In particular we are sure that the condition on the parameters for obtaining a limit cycle will still be identical in 2D and 3D despite of the initial concentrations of U V W.
 
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<big>'''Problem : There is a Huge Difference Between 2D and 3D'''</big>
<big>'''Problem : There is a Huge Difference Between 2D and 3D'''</big>
* Poincare-Bendixson Theorem works for 1D and 2D only, but not 3D!!!
** We only need simple requirements for a limit cycle in 2D
** In 3D the requirement is more complex - or much more complex


* Poincare- Bendixson Theorem works for 1D and 2D only, not 3D!!!
* Can we really afford to assume the hypotheses and reduce the system to 2D?
** We have simple requirements for a limit cycle in 2D
**If our hypotheses are exactly met: Yes!
** In 3D it is more complex - much more complex
**In practice: there might be slight errors
 
***Slight error on Hypothesis 2: not important  
* Can we really afford to make the hypotheses and reduce the system to 2D?
***Slight error on hypothesis 1:  
** If the hypotheses are exactly met: Yes!
****[aiiA] and [LuxR] get more and more out of synchronisation
** In practice : there will be slight errors
****However, if the hypotheses are almost met, we can hope to have a few synchronised cycles
*** Slight error on Hypothesis 2: not important  
****We hope that the conditions on the parameter to generate limit cycle will be the same, the only differences are the amplitude, frequency and phase difference of the oscillations
*** Slight error on hypothesis 1:  
**** [aiiA] and [LuxR] get more and more out sync
**** However, if the hypotheses are almost met we can hope to have a few cycles
**** We hope that the conditions on the parameter to generate limit cycle will be the same, the only differences are the amplitude & frequency difference of the oscillation in concentration of LuxR & aiiA
 
*Studying 2D model will also help us understand 3D model more


*However, studying the 2D model will also help us understand the 3D model more
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<big> '''Conclusion'''</big>
<big> '''Conclusion'''</big>
* Yes there is a lot to learn from the 2D model
*There is a lot to learn from the 2D model
* A word of caution:  
*A word of caution:  
::[[Image:2d model 0b.PNG|thumb|400px|left|Simulation of Full 3D model done by Cell Designer]]  
::[[Image:2d model 0b.PNG|thumb|400px|left|Simulation of Full 3D model done by Cell Designer]]  
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Revision as of 02:53, 30 October 2006

Analysis of the Model of the Molecular Predation Oscillator


Model Simplification: Can We Learn Anything from 2D Models?

From 3D to 2D

  • Simplification is possible because of the similarity of the growth rates of V and W in the full 3D Model
    • Their complex production terms are identical
    • Only their dissipative terms (-d1*V and -d2*W ) varies
    • A simple hypotheses could lead to a very big simplification in our analysis
    • A 2D analysis is much simpler, and still will give us valid prediction on whether the system will oscillate.
  • Required Hypotheses for Simplification
    • Hypothesis 1: d1=d2
    • Hypothesis 2: [aiiA] = [LuxR] initially ( that is at time t=0)
      • The assumption of d1=d2 is feasible because aiiA and LuxR within the cells will be washed out at the same rate in chemostat
      • As long as we can ensure the washing out rate is much more dominant than their natural half-life. (Easily achieved)
  • Under previous 2 Hypothesis
    • Both aiiA and LuxR will start at the same concentration, and the same rate of production and degradation
    • Hence they will be at the same concentration thoughout
  • System then can be simplified to
  • NB: Hypothesis 2 is not really essential
    • If d1=d2, the difference between W and V will decay to 0 exponentially (with a time constant 1/d1)
    • Therefore after a little time we can assume V=W
    • The larger d1, the faster the assumption becomes valid
    • The larger the difference between initial values of V & W, the longer the settling time of reaching V=W only
    • In particular we are sure that the condition on the parameters for obtaining a limit cycle will still be identical in 2D and 3D despite of the initial concentrations of U V W.


Problem : There is a Huge Difference Between 2D and 3D

  • Poincare-Bendixson Theorem works for 1D and 2D only, but not 3D!!!
    • We only need simple requirements for a limit cycle in 2D
    • In 3D the requirement is more complex - or much more complex
  • Can we really afford to assume the hypotheses and reduce the system to 2D?
    • If our hypotheses are exactly met: Yes!
    • In practice: there might be slight errors
      • Slight error on Hypothesis 2: not important
      • Slight error on hypothesis 1:
        • [aiiA] and [LuxR] get more and more out of synchronisation
        • However, if the hypotheses are almost met, we can hope to have a few synchronised cycles
        • We hope that the conditions on the parameter to generate limit cycle will be the same, the only differences are the amplitude, frequency and phase difference of the oscillations
  • However, studying the 2D model will also help us understand the 3D model more


Conclusion

  • There is a lot to learn from the 2D model
  • A word of caution:
Simulation of Full 3D model done by Cell Designer


  • The simulation above shows individual cycles of [aiiA] and [LuxR]
    • Frequencies are equal
    • Profiles very similar
    • Peak amplitudes different
    • Clearly for such cycles d1=d2 was not met. We therefore have to study the 3D case in its entirety at some point
  • However for our current interest of whether the system can result in generation, 2D case of d1=d2 should be enough