DIYbio:Hi-Five/16-Dec-2008/Chat

Mackenzie Cowell 7:12 PM he wasn't present d2_jcline 7:12 PM

David Nunez 7:13 PM I want to hear more about that arduino project 7:13 PM david@davidnunez.com tito 7:14 PM ya 7:15 PM Jonathon, are you in CA? David Nunez 7:15 PM I too have little bio/science experience Mackenzie Cowell added jkelly555 to this chat 7:15 PM jkelly555 cannot be added due to his/her privacy settings 7:15 PM David Nunez 7:15 PM hope my inexperience brings in a fresh perspective tito 7:17 PM it will, david Alec Nielsen 7:17 PM hey tito! tito 7:17 PM alec is legit Alec Nielsen 7:18 PM ha thanks 7:18 PM what've you been up to tito 7:18 PM working 7:18 PM let's chat on skype later tonight d2_jcline 7:18 PM re: my location - I am currently looking to relocate - I was in California 50% and Taipei 50% 7:18 PM I am looking at Austin Tx tito 7:18 PM nice, I'm in Sacramento, just moved here David Nunez 7:19 PM if I scrub the usernames and text, does anyone have an issue with me blogging this setup w/ a screenshot? (i.e. how tokbox and skype work for small-medium sized ad-hoc diy teams)? tito 7:19 PM I'm an system tester with Accenture during the day - test scripts 7:19 PM i'm cool with it dave d2_jcline 7:19 PM No screenshot or chat logs please Alec Nielsen 7:19 PM sounds good tito 7:19 PM alec you know meredith? Alec Nielsen 7:19 PM no, i've never met her tito 7:19 PM ah Alec Nielsen 7:19 PM i know of her though tito 7:20 PM ya, tom knight is awesmoe, willing to entertain any idea Mackenzie Cowell 7:20 PM http://diybio.pbwiki.com/Dec+16+Hi-Five tito 7:21 PM somehow connect the info on openwetware with diybio.org 7:22 PM ya Norman 7:22 PM http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Notebook/Open_Gel_Box_2.0 tito 7:23 PM yooooooooo Mackenzie Cowell added Len Sassaman to this chat 7:23 PM Len Sassaman cannot be added due to his/her privacy settings 7:23 PM Mackenzie Cowell 7:23 PM len should be in this chat now David Nunez 7:24 PM Conference Idea: I know lots of people organizing panels, etc for SxSW in Austin. 7:25 PM Is there anyone near Texas? (I used to live in austin) d2_jcline 7:25 PM URL for SxSW in Austin = ? David Nunez 7:25 PM http://sxsw.com -- look at the "Interactive" festival 7:26 PM it's primarily a web conference, but they love the Make / DIY and Games communities 7:26 PM the point being... everyone blogs everything that goes on at that conf 7:27 PM maker faire, for that matter tito 7:28 PM sick! Jason Morrison 7:28 PM len your audio dropped out for me 7:28 PM it's static after "10 or 12 good..." Norman 7:28 PM same here, audio dropped out Alec Nielsen 7:28 PM me too, a while ago d2_jcline 7:28 PM I got dropped tito 7:29 PM hmm Mackenzie Cowell added jkelly555 to this chat 7:29 PM d2_jcline 7:30 PM Biohack at codecon = ? tito 7:30 PM i'm also dropped David Nunez 7:30 PM I like it. so what other hacker / code conferences do we think might enjoy a diybio track? jkelly555 7:31 PM when is the codecon conference? Mackenzie Cowell 7:31 PM mac will get project description q/a from each person via email Jason Morrison 7:31 PM http://www.codecon.org/2009/ sfo apr 17-19 Mackenzie Cowell 7:32 PM mac will start list that keeps track of calls for "biohacking papers, presentations, posters, etc" tito 7:32 PM let's steal some software jkelly555 7:33 PM hey alec, id defiintely email tom about the turbidostat. he'd probbaly pass along eveyrthing he has i bet if you were going to crank on it. David Nunez 7:34 PM is the idea to present representative mock-ups of projects in progress? 7:35 PM So tangential question -- does bio include agricultural stuff? Jason Morrison 7:35 PM david - right now? going through http://diybio.pbwiki.com/Dec%2B16%2BHi-Five i think 7:35 PM & totally David Nunez 7:37 PM yes (grabbing link) d2_jcline 7:37 PM did you try high schools? Mackenzie Cowell 7:37 PM not yet d2_jcline 7:38 PM community college will likely lease out space to "startups" but may be expensive Mackenzie Cowell 7:38 PM mac will chat with the Norman's Biogen idec contact David Nunez 7:39 PM I was thinking about the cambridge innovation center... but it seems both cost prohibitive and possibly unfriendly to wet applications 7:39 PM yes. tito 7:39 PM ya but a weekend would be much better 7:40 PM or Friday afternoon, for me David Nunez 7:40 PM nail down a specific date of the month ("ex. second tuesday") 7:40 PM and don't change the sched. d2_jcline 7:40 PM sounds good Alec Nielsen 7:40 PM works for me jkelly555 7:40 PM sounds good Mackenzie Cowell 7:40 PM Easier for Len to partipate if call is earlier d2_jcline 7:41 PM alternate times every other call David Nunez 7:41 PM please set up a google calendar or something I can subscribe to via ical 7:41 PM (I can take that on if need be) tito 7:41 PM any opinions on weekend meetings? David Nunez 7:42 PM this is a good point... especially if the rhetoric is all about "hacking" which has, unfortunately, negative PR Mackenzie Cowell 7:43 PM Jason Bobe jump in here 7:44 PM 1. BioTerrorists will be professionals (DIYbio isn't really going to facilitate more terrorism) David Nunez 7:45 PM I'm missing what the concern is, here. Are we worried about negative publicity and subsequent shutting down of activity? Alec Nielsen 7:45 PM i think the worry is actual bioerror Mackenzie Cowell 7:45 PM 2. More positive biotech experts in the world is going to be good d2_jcline 7:47 PM I am concerned about actual bad things happening from accidental or overlooked engineering David Nunez 7:47 PM Yikes. Mackenzie Cowell 7:47 PM "Won't diybio enable tomorrows bioterrorists?" ultralights vs. flightschool (dedicated terrorists won't be amateurs) better to live in world w/ lots of experts (99.999999999% who are well intentioned) wrong focus: bioerror way bigger threat than bioterror we believe in certification programs; they impose constraints, but increase the ability of people to do the activity because it is explicity allowed model rocketry ham radio recreational diving ultralight flying Food for thought: what activites are allowed without a license? Exploratory bio, sure, but what about transforming dna purchased from the already-regulated synthesis companies? 7:47 PM See section at http://diybio.pbwiki.com/Dec+9+Hi-Five David Nunez 7:48 PM Question: If diybio gets into the business of "certifying" or even "presenting safety information" does that present liability issues? 7:48 PM (I.e. "diybio said if I do protocol X this way, then I wouldn't kill everyone in the lab... whoops") Alec Nielsen 7:49 PM maybe, but disseminating safety info is better than the alternative David Nunez 7:50 PM wrt Ham Radio -- FCC is a centralized organization that limits access to the hobby w/o certification (i.e. you can go to jail if you even ATTEMPT to broadcast a certain strength w/o registering yourself and all of you equipment). Dangerous analogy, imho. d2_jcline 7:51 PM ham radio - you can do anything you want as long as your transmitter is below 50 watts 7:51 PM or etc. David Nunez 7:52 PM question wrt plants - to what extent do "copyrights" on species of plants interfere w/ indie aggie people? d2_jcline 7:53 PM "hackers" was originally a term used for criminal suspects.. because public perception was unsophisticated David Nunez 7:53 PM Managing PR, then, is an argument to stay away from grungy hacker-cons which don't, for example, do proper call for papers. d2_jcline 7:54 PM A better response for reporters might be: "We have safety documents that we freely distribute" etc. David Nunez 7:55 PM As a reporter, my next question would be: "Who wrote those documents?" 7:55 PM and "Does your community read them?" d2_jcline 7:55 PM Um, you're smarter than the average reporter... 7:56 PM all schools go thru 1-2 day 'safety lecture + quiz' training Jason Morrison 7:57 PM a set of biotech experiments aimed at 2-yr college or hgh schools that I'd like to replicate - http://www.biotechinstitute.org/resources/shoestring_biotech.html David Nunez 7:57 PM I agree w/ that. I used to run a program in Texas which encouraged kids to learn to program via building video games. It was a GREAT story, "See? Games aren't all that bad." 7:58 PM who was doing the arduino project? can you ping me via david@davidnunez.com ? Alec Nielsen 7:59 PM that was me Norman 7:59 PM http://www.doodle.com/ d2_jcline 8:02 PM license comparison 8:02 PM http://88proof.com/synthetic_biology/blog/archives/161 Mackenzie Cowell 8:03 PM len 8:03 PM http://bbf.openwetware.org/MailingLists.html Norman 8:04 PM http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio Jason Morrison 8:04 PM http://openwetware.org/wiki/Join d2_jcline 8:04 PM

David Nunez 8:04 PM great call. Thanks! Alec Nielsen has left the chat 8:06 PM